‘What Happens Next?’: Will Climate Change Wipe Out the Indo-Pacific?
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What Happens Next?, the Monash University podcast that takes on today’s biggest global challenges, is back with an all-new series today, exploring the dire effects of climate change in our neck of the woods – the Indo-Pacific. Unfortunately, it’s a region that’s uniquely vulnerable to environmental changes, and with COP29 on the horizon, there’s no better time to learn what’s at stake for the Indo-Pacific, why it matters, and what we can do about it.
The Indo-Pacific’s unique climate challenges
The Indo-Pacific spans vast, diverse environments, from the tropical coasts of Indonesia to Australia’s arid interiors to Antarctic glaciers. Here, climate change isn’t a future problem – its extreme impacts and effects on human lives are undeniable.
On the latest episode of the podcast, host Dr Susan Carland and her guests cover everything from rising sea levels and intense weather events to the very real human cost these changes are bringing.
Professor Tony Capon, Director of Monash’s Sustainable Development Institute, opens the conversation with a discussion of some of these health impacts. In places such as India and the Philippines, pollution from burning coal is worsening air quality, putting millions of lives at risk. He emphasises that Australia, as a major coal exporter, can’t ignore the role it plays.
“When people are dying from pollution caused by our coal, it’s a moral issue as much as it is a climate one,” he says. Capon’s point is powerful – it’s a reminder that climate change isn’t just an abstract issue; it’s deeply tied to people’s health and wellbeing across the region.
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How stories shape our understanding of climate change
When it comes to influencing how we think and act about climate change, Dr Gabriel García Ochoa, an expert on climate narratives and Director of Monash’s Global Immersion Guarantee program, knows that storytelling can make or break the movement.
Facts are essential, but stories resonate emotionally, which can drive real change – or mislead people. He points out that when misinformation is shared in a compelling way, it can lead people to believe harmful narratives.
“We’re hardwired to respond to stories, not just numbers,” he explains. For climate change, this means we need accurate, empowering stories – not just frightening statistics – to motivate action.
“The impacts of climate change and how it's shifted our livelihoods have been extraordinarily profound in that when nature changes, our culture changes with it, because our culture is very much based on nature and how we interact with nature.” – Dr Lagipoiva Cherelle Jackson
In the Indo-Pacific, where climate issues are urgent, how we tell these stories really matters. If all we hear is despair, we begin to feel helpless. Stories that show people adapting and pushing for change can inspire us to get involved.
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The cultural and human impact of rising sea levels
For Pacific Islanders, climate change isn’t just about abstract statistics – it’s personal. Dr Lagipoiva Cherelle Jackson, a Samoan journalist, discusses the emotional toll of potentially losing homes, lands and even cultural heritage to rising sea levels. For Jackson and her community, relocating isn’t a simple solution.
“Our connection to the land is spiritual; you can’t replace it by just moving somewhere else,” she says.
Pacific Island communities are resilient and have long been adapting to environmental changes, but this resilience often goes unacknowledged in international media.
Dr Jackson’s perspective challenges the typical “climate refugee” story, which can oversimplify the situation. Instead, she calls for narratives that highlight the strength and cultural richness of Pacific Islanders as they navigate this crisis.
Climate modelling and future risks for the Indo-Pacific
The Indo-Pacific region is expansive and complex, making it hard to predict exactly how climate change will unfold. Professor Christian Jakob, Director of the Monash-based ARC Centre of Excellence for Weather of the 21st Century, explains how warming temperatures and rising sea levels pose serious risks to the region. Even small temperature increases in the tropics can have devastating effects on human health, especially in places with high humidity.
“The hotter and more humid it gets, the harder it is for people to cool down, which makes heatwaves especially dangerous,” he notes.
And it’s not just about the temperature. Sea levels are rising as warmer water expands and ice melts in Greenland and Antarctica. Even if we stopped emissions today, Professor Jakob says, the ocean would continue to rise for years, threatening coastal and island communities.
“We’ve locked in a certain amount of sea level rise already,” he adds, making the need for climate adaptation and mitigation all the more pressing.
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Nuanced narratives and policy implications
Dr Elissa Waters, a political geographer working on climate adaptation in Monash’s Faculty of Arts, brings a critical perspective on how narratives regarding climate change shape policy responses and funding.
She points out that while Pacific Islands are undoubtedly vulnerable to climate impacts such as rising sea levels and extreme weather, oversimplified narratives often overshadow the region’s complexity and resilience.
She stresses that painting the Indo-Pacific as merely “doomed” can be damaging; it risks diverting resources away from crucial short- and medium-term adaptation efforts that could significantly improve life in these communities now.
Dr Waters argues for a nuanced approach that recognises the right of Pacific Islanders to remain on their land as long as possible, rather than preemptively planning for mass migration.
She believes it’s essential to support locally-led adaptation measures as a matter of human rights. Her insights reinforce the importance of nuanced climate narratives that respect both the resilience and agency of these communities.
The importance of COP29 for the Indo-Pacific
With COP29 just around the corner, this episode calls for global attention to the Indo-Pacific’s climate crisis. Climate change’s effects aren’t one-size-fits-all, and as the region deals with unique challenges, policies must address the specific needs of our communities.
Climate action involves more than simply understanding climate science – it’s about respecting the people and cultures that are most affected, and crafting solutions that prioritise their wellbeing.
Next week, What Happens Next? listeners will learn how we can tell climate stories that focus on action and solutions instead of just doom and gloom. Tune in for fresh perspectives and stories of resilience.
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About the Authors
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Susan carland
Director, Bachelor of Global Studies, and Lecturer, School of Language, Literature, Cultures and Linguistics
Susan's research and teaching specialties focus on gender, sociology, contemporary Australia, terrorism, and Islam in the modern world. Susan hosted the “Assumptions” series on ABC’s Radio National, and was named one of the 20 Most Influential Australian Female Voices in 2012 by The Age.
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Christian jakob
Professor, School of Earth, Atmosphere and Environment
Christian is a climate scientist. He’s interested in how scientists around the world can work together better to improve climate models. He has worked for organisations as varied as the United States Department of Energy, the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts, and the Bureau of Meteorology. He is currently the Deputy Director of the Australian Research Council's Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science.
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Anthony capon
Professor, Monash Sustainable Development Institute
Tony directs the Monash Sustainable Development Institute and holds a chair in planetary health in the School of Public Health and Preventive Medicine at Monash University. A public health physician and authority in environmental health and health promotion, his research focuses on urbanisation, sustainable development and human health. Tony is a former director of the International Institute for Global Health at United Nations University (UNU-IIGH).
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Lagipoiva cherelle jackson
Dr Lagipoiva Cherelle Jackson is an award-winning Samoan journalist and scholar who has spent more than 20 years reporting on climate change, human rights, gender and culture from an island perspective. She was a Reuters Fellow at the University of Oxford where she wrote a pioneering study on the coverage of the climate crisis in the Pacific islands. Lagipoiva is the host of “The Impossible Choice” a podcast series by The Guardian, Pacific Project, focusing on the existential nature of the climate crisis, and the ABC’s “Climate Mana,” a podcast series about the resilience and solidarity of Pacific people in the face of climate change. She is a mentor and advocate for Pacific journalism, and works with the International Federation of Journalists, Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma and New Narratives to strengthen and support journalism in the Pacific islands. She is a co-founder of Women in Climate Change in Samoa and has been recognised by the US State Department for her work in empowering women through the media.
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Elissa waters
Dr Elissa Waters is a political geographer and lecturer in human geography in Monash’s Faculty of Arts. Her research focuses on the social and political dimensions of climate change adaptation and disaster governance in Australia and the Pacific. In the Pacific context, this work is focused on policy development for climate change adaptation and vulnerability in atoll states. Her PhD research focused on disaster governance in small island states. Elissa has 15 years of experience working with Australian governments at state and national levels to provide research and advice on climate change adaptation, particularly with respect to sea level rise and coastal management. She is currently a chief investigator on the National Environmental Science Program Climate Systems Hub project Enabling Best Practice Adaptation in Australia.
Dr Elissa Waters is a political geographer and lecturer in human geography in Monash’s Faculty of Arts. Her research focuses on the social and political dimensions of climate change adaptation and disaster governance in Australia and the Pacific. In the Pacific context, this work is focused on policy development for climate change adaptation and vulnerability in atoll states. Her PhD research focused on disaster governance in small island states. Elissa has 15 years of experience working with Australian governments at state and national levels to provide research and advice on climate change adaptation, particularly with respect to sea level rise and coastal management. She is currently a chief investigator on the National Environmental Science Program Climate Systems Hub project Enabling Best Practice Adaptation in Australia.
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Gabriel garcía ochoa
Dr Gabriel García Ochoa is Director of Monash’s Global Immersion Guarantee (GIG) program. Gabe is a writer, academic and professional translator. He studied at Harvard University's Institute for World Literature. In 2019, he published his first novel. GIG is a first-year students’ chance to travel internationally – mainly within the Indo-Pacific – to learn from local leaders working to address the human impact on the environment. Participants see firsthand how to balance environmental protection and sustainability with economic and social development, and discover how they can contribute and make a difference.
Dr Gabriel García Ochoa is Director of Monash’s Global Immersion Guarantee (GIG) program. Gabe is a writer, academic and professional translator. He studied at Harvard University's Institute for World Literature. In 2019, he published his first novel. GIG is a first-year students’ chance to travel internationally – mainly within the Indo-Pacific – to learn from local leaders working to address the human impact on the environment. Participants see firsthand how to balance environmental protection and sustainability with economic and social development, and discover how they can contribute and make a difference.
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